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My fellow slot enthusiasts: Class II and Class III slots?

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My fellow slot enthusiasts: Class II and Class III slots?

I've been doing some reading on Class II and Class III slots.

Class III uses RNGs (Random Number Generators) and Class II uses a server which the slots are all hooked up to.

The server controls what machine will win and how much, basically controlling the amount won, (progressives run this way).

I visit Vegas every year, although I live close to Gentings Resorts World NY which is run by New York State Lottery.

They use Video Lottery Terminals (class II machines, which mimic slots).

One thing I noticed is games like Ballys Cash Spin or U-Spin have completely different graphics at Resorts World NY than they do in Vegas, which I think is related to the different classes.

So I have two questions...

Where can I find some good class III machines (10x pay, 3 reel, non networked) machines on the strip?

and

What are your thoughts on Class II and Class III, do you feel one has more of an advantage over the other?

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1. Re: My fellow slot enthusiasts: Class II and Class III slots?

AFAIK, those class II "slot machines" don't exist in Las Vegas. They're only in jurisdictions that don't allow real slot machines. They're really just lotteries that are set up to look like slots. But you're really just buying a lottery ticket.

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2. Re: My fellow slot enthusiasts: Class II and Class III slots?

Most State run "Casinos" and I put that in parentheses since I don't consider them Real Casinos, all run their slots off their State Lottery Computer set up.

The difference between one and the other is that with VLT systems, you're playing in a Pool with other players. When someone else Wins, you Don't! Also I've noticed that for instance with WOF machines, the large Progressives just aren't there, they'll have a lousy $5K or so "Progressive" instead of the Hundreds of Thousands that you see in LV & AC. With RNG machines every play on every machine is an independant event. Anything can happen. The biggest difference depends on at what Percentage the States vs the Privately run Casinos set their machines. Typically their "Payback Percenatges" are better than the States. If you just go by Lotto odds, the House Edge is better than 40%. That Stinks!

The worst thing is the Video Poker machines, on a state run VLT system, you're still playing a Slot machine. You can take all your Bob Dancer strategies and throw them away! Though MD claims differently, there is No Way that a VLT system emulates the deal of a True Deck of cards as is required by law in LV and Atlantic City.

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3. Re: My fellow slot enthusiasts: Class II and Class III slots?

Do all states with casinos have these state run video lottery terminals? I have not heard that term here in Iowa, but I could be living under a rock.

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4. Re: My fellow slot enthusiasts: Class II and Class III slots?

I'm pretty sure most casino's in Iowa and Illinois are "real" slot machines, not bingo. I know for sure the Isle Of Capri and Rhythm City are, as well as Jumers in Illinois. If you go north to Wisconsin, particularly Madison you will find the "bingo" type ones.

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5. Re: My fellow slot enthusiasts: Class II and Class III slots?

All I know, Mike, is those slot machines In Louisiana were tight as hell. "If You Have A Gambling Problem" just drop a 20 in one of those machines...you'll soon be cured.

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6. Re: My fellow slot enthusiasts: Class II and Class III slots?

Thanks for the responses everyone, and Alan that cracked me up!

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7. Re: My fellow slot enthusiasts: Class II and Class III slots?

Here is a good description from Wikipedia, and the different classes, which are more the full casino than just the machines and based on Federal and State laws in regards to Indian Casinos, unlike Nevada and a few other states that allow major corporations to directly run casinos and gaming, if they get the appropriate Gaming License.

…wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Gaming_Regulatory…

Class I is basically what you can find at a local Church at many states, low level "real" bingo and a few others.

Class II is restricted Gaming, and does not allow "real" Slot Machines, which are based on a Random Number Generator Program.

Class III is pretty much full gaming, but each state can regulate things. For example, traditional Craps and Roulette can't be offered in California, though electronic or alternative version can be offered.

There also used to be stronger limits in California, and I knew a few casinos that got up to their "maximumk" allowed Slot Machines, so added the Video Machines that look like slots, but based on a Bingo Card (electronic drawing). Now, the large casinos just agree to pay more to the state to get more machines.

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8. Re: My fellow slot enthusiasts: Class II and Class III slots?

Hard Rock Seminole casino in Tampa used to have 'slots' based on a bingo game.You only won on the slot if you got a ,bingo; on another screen.They had those until the Seminoles payed off the state of Florida.Then they started advertising as 'las Vegas ' style slots.Thats because they eliminated the bingo games on the machine.Didn't matter cause i never won on either kind of machine

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